Wadi Il Kafarah; The Valley of the Hereticsً
Naturally, having just graduated from Jordan University in July, I am very familiar with the “ikhs”-labeled areas on campus.
There’s the “Devil Worshipping Corner” in Aadab, which oh, you MUST avoid completely or you will go STRAIGHT to hell as it has a lot of students who wear a lot of white make-up and only black outfits and who actually perform evil black magic.
There’s tarbeyeh, where you will hear a million warnings from concerned friends before you enter its faculty building as it has hundreds and thousands of scary men and women waiting to rape you dry.
There’s the “Circassion Corner” across from Mat3am lljam3a, which you also avoid at all costs if you are not Circassian because apparently, these dudes beat people up.
There’s the very infamous Share3 il Nawar (the Vulgar Street) which connects the humanities to the sciences, and you must never ever be seen sitting anywhere near Share3 il Nawar, and preferably, when you must cross over, walk as fast as you can as far from the center as possible, or you will be labeled “nawari” for the rest of your life.
Crossing over to the 3oloom side, there’s “Square il Drugs”, aka Square il 3oloom, and it is said that everyone who hangs out there is a drug addict, and you get labeled as that by association.
I will also not forget the Forbidden Forest, which people swear has mafias of Shariaa hijabi chicks who will attack you if you ever dare to step into.
Yes, yes, after thousands of hours spent on campus at Jordan University, I am familiar with them all. So today, I became really curious when I read about a street at Jordan University apparently labeled as “The Valley of the Heretics”, because I mean, how can someone like myself never hear of such a street, and you know, I just graduated in June!
Upon more digging, I found out that this valley is much worse than all the other ikhs-places on campus, to the extent that students are distributing leaflets and posters telling any self-respecting student stay away from such a heretical place, especially during Ramadan, when the students that hang out there have no ounce of “shame” in continuing all their unmoral habits as well as eating, drinking, and smoking during the month of Ramadan in PUBLIC. Oh, my, the HORROR.
Then I read the rest of the article, and was very pleasantly surprised to discover that the labeled as such part of campus is no other than the street of the Faculty of Fine Arts and Design. I smile at the memories of all the happy hours I spent sitting in the Valley of the Heretics!
I heart funoon.
On the other hand, its really freaky how everyone keeps getting more and more conservative. Here are pictures taken in what is now called the Valley of the Heretics back in the early 70’s:
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Mohanned
October 4, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
Is it heretics? I suggest that they change the whole university to sharia school.
Or another idea: Why don’t they create a new university for sharia studies and remove the sharia college from the university of jordan.
I think it is more about directing anger toward people rather than the failed government or why else this is the only year we have all this “talk” about eliminating the food scene during ramadan.
Peace, you infidels :)
Nas
October 4, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
Rana Sabbagh wrote an interesting piece for Jordan Business this month that you might find interesting. It’s about takfiris in Ma’an and their stranglehold on the King Hussein University.
http://www.jordan-business.net/magazine/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=199&Itemid=40
Pheras Hilal
October 4, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
The interesting part is that I’ve yet to hear these labels (except for Share3 el Nawar). You know, I take the label heretic as a compliment. I’d rather be negatively labeled than to be just another sheep of the pack (which people who invent these labels normally are, sheep).
Bilal - Black Jack
October 4, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
is the dinasour also still visible in sa7at el 3oloom?
now that is a landmark :D
and there is a street called ‘zeedini 3eshqan’ with regards to kazem el saher famous song. apparently, lovers sit behind trees or walk with hands coupled away from paparazzi eyes.
طفيلي( ahmad)
October 4, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
I wish that the article was about students in the Jordanian University put new theory or fabricated new device in physics or something else to be proud of it
It is a shamed because our youths think the university is the best place to go out with girls and imitate some of the western habit to be modern or cool guy.
Guys, Jordan is and was and will be an Islamic country with respect to minority from other religion. Yah there are a lot of changes indicating we are modern country but this is like a make up trying to changes few things to face pressures from west. Deep down , we are very conservative and can not leave our roots.
yaseen
October 4, 2007 @ 11:41 pm
No one has polluted the IT – 3elmeyeh with corruption yet, it’s still called “el share3 ele godamn el IT” wonder how much it’ll last :P too bad I graduated
Hareega
October 5, 2007 @ 12:52 am
I always stayed away from the college of medicine, didn’t wanna look like a nerd
Ahmad Humeid
October 5, 2007 @ 1:13 am
this is probably the most interesting blog post i read this year!
Bilal - Black Jack
October 5, 2007 @ 1:21 am
Ahmad, I agree with you that some guys think a college is for meeting girls and wasting time picking on other people.
but why do u say we cant leave our roots?
you know, when Mohammad (PBUH) came to the families of mecca, they said the same thing. we cant stop worshipping idols and leave our roots! look at islam now, almost 2 billion around the globe. so bad roots can always be pulled out of the soil. we have to work hard for it.
i guess students in Jordanian colleges should be given more homework or projects to work on LOL :) i know you guys will hate me for saying this :) no, seriously, they have alot of downtime for them to create such territories and pick on other people.
Roba
October 5, 2007 @ 2:44 am
I’m Jordanian, Arab, etc, and I am not SLIGHTLY conservative. Proudly unconservative too.
I do hate labels, and conservative is such a broad word that could encompass very different meanings, but well, I hate being assigned as such anyway and when anyone says “we have always been conservative” I sort of take it personally because I identify myself as Arab and Jordanian and I historically have never and will never be conservative. I dislike it so.
My family has not been conservative for centuries either, which is how my family name “Al-3assi” came to be. Yet, we have always been Arab, both my families tracing back to the most Arab of places, Najd et all. I do not have a single blood of non-Arab blood in me, proudly so again.
Do not stereotype all Arabs and their roots as conservative because you are. The only brilliant Arab poets were not conservative, and neither were the only Arab enlightened philosophers and scientists.
Conservative is overrated. Think George Bush.
Mohanned
October 5, 2007 @ 5:24 am
Conservative?! Are we really? or did we become lately? I wish that one day people wake up and understand that they HAVE to change…
So sad!
tiger
October 5, 2007 @ 6:18 am
hi all..and hey ramadan kareem guys:)
okay it is always gonna be a debate between right and left and each one of them is gonna label the other with various types ..librals would stereo type islamist as mot’7alfeen o raj3yeen o sometime nwar …and islamist or conservatives would label libral as fajrah,kafrah, 6aboor ‘7ames or even 3omala bas ba3rfash 3omala la meen bel zab6..
here is actually our problem when we first stop sterotyping from both sides and accept the ideas then we can move on to step 2 which is called ta3yosh or living side by side….
what i hated the most while living in jordan although I have amazing memories there the amount of stereo typing in the comunity is amazing its like ..people have nothing to do other than stereotyping each other and that is lets say one of the worst things i hated ..
now lets talk freely and frankly since this subject is openned first of all the problem of islamist not only in jordan but also in general all arab world that they tend to takfeer theory alot and that is wrong if u want to market ur ideas with a society according to ur view has lost its relegion
on the other hand the problem of librals is that they become too libral more than they were actually are and sometimes they kind of make a statment or try to proove a point by chalenging society or stuff that they know it would annoy or provoke people around them just to show that their point is right ..and some times it would end up in a self denial state that would isolate them from society or sterotyping them with this as a case example.
guys the problem is we dont understand each other anymore..conservative or libral i think u can live side to side and even have good relations but what u need is to repect each other..
one last question for roba…u defined urself as jordanian ,arab..and when u spook about ur family name u mentioned stuff that ur family from the origin isn’t islam related? so lets say ur grand grand father was infidel or kafer bel deen ..I dont think so …its good to be libral makes u open minded but its good also to keep a connection and real understanding for ur roots which i dought as what u explained.
I dont see a problem when a christian guy says that am jordanian,arab ,chrisitian guy so whats the problem if i introduce my self in the same way..it is not a shame to be proud of my relegion…because at the bottom line relegion is abstractly and simply is a code of ethics.right?
and regarding the old pic yeah they were not consrevatives they were socialist and baathist at these times so it was simply a fashion and something nice to be since political parties at that time were booming in socialist and bathist stuff. thx for reading:)
Dave
October 5, 2007 @ 8:57 am
So is there any place for non-infidels on campus?
(Those 70’s dudes and chicks are groovy. It seems like things have become more conservative since then.)
Roba
October 5, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
Tiger, the way you choose to identify yourself when speaking is a very, very personal decision. I will never identify myself as Muslim when speaking, because I am not, never was, and will never be a religious person.
I am Roba, I am Arab. First and foremost.
tiger
October 5, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
okay i respect that ..then one question why u are annoyed when they call it wadee el kafarah ..kafarah in islam means infidel which not a bad word if u look at it from abstract meaning it doesnt contain an insult it states simply as non believers and here u r strictly declaring urself as non beliver so why u are annoyed by all of this?
Dandoon
October 5, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
I wonder how much is the university administration educated about all of those social and political segments? I would never expect the Jordan University to be this diverse!
B3deen takfir! it is sad if shari3a students were the ones to start this ‘label”. They are supposed to be about da3wa and what so ever, they should try to understand people on the outside of their group, not isolate them. I dunno…
Roba.. is that how the name El-3asi began? really? I thought you had Lebanese roots and the name came from El-3asi river!
Dandoon
October 5, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
“I will never identify myself as Muslim when speaking, because I am not, never was, and will never be a religious person.”
I think you really should not walk around identifying your self as a Muslim. I think one’s actions should speak about their background. Right?
I dont drink because I have a background that tells me that drinking is not worth it. My background encourages me to alcohol free and deems me as a sinner if I drink! >> this is how religion works for me. I think you probably have a somehow similar system of your own on which you base your judgments on. Right?
Roba
October 5, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
Tiger, I am not comfortable with labels and I would not call myself a disbeliever.
Dana, that is an excellent point.
tiger
October 5, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
Dandoon regarding the muslim Identification thing I think I didnt mean it in the same way u understood if u go through my whole comments u ll know why I dislike even labeling people.
the point is we are having a hidden boring argument in our society these days between its either u r with me or u r my enemy and this goes both sides on islamist supporters and on libral people with diffrent approchs on boh sides.Personally am not a relegious person by the way but I dont like offending my roots and my point of origin thats all. but I blame both sides for this kind of sisituations that we are into..simply because refusal of viewing the other point of view because it doesnt match ur exact point of view then starting labaleling is bad.
I blame da3wa people because they are taught how to talk to people in a good way and they dont implement it but nevertheless there is great examples between them that really i saw them whom i can call very open minded.
now the same goes for libral people who pretneds sometimes to be the highest class of the society because of some western education or extra money or some additional books they read..but nevertheless there is people among them who are very open minded and know stuff about islam more than some islamists therselves
now the root cause of the problem that we are discussing here is the issue of eating and smoking in ramadan and labeling people who does this ..personally am against forbidding eating and drinking in ramdan publicly since we dont live under a full sharee3a law so its hypocracy to implement some and neglect some either u implement the full package or u dont other than that u r lieing to urself as a society.
but on the other hand some people lets call them the libral side tend to exagerate in stating there rights and tends to play this challenge game in ramadan just to provoke people in a way to proove their point also this is bad very bad and for me its with the same effect as labeling because once u start ur snow ball it never ends till u have an avalanche.
thx for reading and thx roba for tolerating my comments with no personal offence ment:)
tuliptree
October 5, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
“I’m Jordanian, Arab, etc, and I am not SLIGHTLY conservative. Proudly unconservative too.”.. so I get from you that THE LABEL “Conservative” gives a yucky notion??..loollll.. It seems that you even got the meaning of “conservative” wrong and that is why you want to be sooo far away from that label.. anyways, “conservatives”, I am sure, are proud of not having you SLIGHTlY be part of “them”.. I am using your label R”O”BA.. it is funny how you label what “conservative” is, yet refuse labels.. HYPOCRATE!
Hamzeh N.
October 5, 2007 @ 7:36 pm
“kafara” or “takfiris”, both are labels if you ask me.
طفيلي( ahmad)
October 5, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
Tiger, I like your comments on this matter. You gave a full picture about the life in Jordan.
I think if we take the only thing left which is our decent tradition either comes from Arabic heritage or Islam.. We are giving extremist a chance to spread their evil ideology. You see that jordan is surrounded by countires sufferieng from extermist
These kids who are saying I am not religious but at lease you should take in your consideration the religion is important thing in our life in Jordan. when challenge the system, you are pushing normal Jordanians to extremist side and star to act in harsh way.
we are in the same ship and shoud understand the difference at least fro jordan.
Finally The worst sin in Islam, when A Muslim announces proudly his or her sin in public. This person will have tough life and be blind from right way. if you watched saddam Hussein on TV before he got killed he was scared of death and asking for forgiveness. He was the same person 20 years ago who called for secularism in Iraq. Does that wonder if you are right or wrong.
I am not god to judge you. you might be better thane me
Thanks
P.S
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Mohammad Khamash
October 5, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
I think it is not a big deal to label some people unless it was totally impolite words, but “kafar” or “takfiris” are not an insulting words, and I think it is part of the freedom of expression to label groups, but making it a big deal makes the word looks insulting and problematic, I think we should implement the kind of freedom the net offer in our life so labels well be weightless words.
And I don’t understand that concept of “the roots”, for who deep you should walk with your roots to you grandpa or to the head of your family or to what about 2000 years before you reach your roots, and after all the way, what if your roots wear rotten what I have to do, become a rotten one to, or just delete the stupid concept of “the roots” and make your one decision how to live your life, or else we wont step forward.
Actually I’m Caucasian, that is because my family is, but I don’t like to put my self in that container. your a Palestinian because your family is, what a lame concept to identify people based where they are born. I think people should begin to understand the world of globalization.
But any way, I think it is a nice place “Wadi Il Kafarah”, judging by the pictures of the people their.
Mohammad Khamash
October 5, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
I think it is not a big deal to label some people unless it was totally impolite words, but “kafar” or “takfiris” are not an insulting words, and I think it is part of the freedom of expression to label groups, but making it a big deal makes the word looks insulting and problematic, I think we should implement the kind of freedom the net offer in our life so labels well be weightless words.
And I don’t understand that concept of “the roots”, for who deep you should walk with your roots to you grandpa or to the head of your family or to what about 2000 years before you reach your roots, and after all the way, what if your roots wear rotten what I have to do, become a rotten one to, or just delete the stupid concept of “the roots” and make your one decision how to live your life, or else we wont step forward.
Actually I’m Caucasian, that is because my family is, but I don’t like to put my self in that container. your a Palestinian because your family is, what a lame concept to identify people based where they are born. I think people should begin to understand the world of globalization.
But any way, I think it is a nice place “Wadi Il Kafarah”, judging by the pictures of the people their.
Mohanned
October 5, 2007 @ 8:54 pm
Relegion is between oneself and god, no human being has the right to force anyone to believe anything. Those not-so-extreme sharia kids are kept under control, but if they get loose you will see what they saw in iraq and gaza.
Islam was at it’s peak scientifically when there was freedom, remember the islamic spain?
In jordan and in many arab and muslim nations, relegion and traditions are being used as hanger for failures; it is not our fault, this is what got told us to be!
FYI god told us to be creative and think outside the box, god told us to change to the better not to the worse.
No human being has the right to judge another human being, and there is one say in islam which comes like this: “Mn kaffar mosliman faqad kafar”
Also “he who killed a humam soul as if he killed all humanity”
Peace out.
Bilal - Black Jack
October 5, 2007 @ 9:06 pm
guys you are missing tiger’s point of view.
I fully understand what he is saying. both sides need to accept the other and try to live with each other. this is very peaceful. when it comes to politics and economics, am way, way liberal. but when it comes to socialism, i tend to be modest. I have witnessed and still witnessing the devastating consequences of a too liberal society.
if you think that muslims and arabs are too conservative, PLEASE come to america and see what they got. Mormons, some real devout Christians are too conservative, way conservative their beliefs are not even compared to the hardest muslim conservatism. they even believe in polygamy, missionaries and takfeer. they actually run a whole state. google it if u like.
we have the amish, who still live the 17th century lifestyle. they refuse to even ride cars. they still ride horses and dress like 17th century style to their work.
and ofcourse the ‘redneck’ conservatives who mostly live in what america calls – the religious belt. they are too conservative, that they still have the white-black-slavery stigma, after all these years. most of them really, and i mean REALLY dislike muslims, that the evangelist church supports Israel big time.
what makes them different than us is that everyone respects the law. they do not impede on other’s freedoms.
trust me when i say this, america has more conservatives than us. at least conservatism in islam is a modern thing, mostly a result of the modern oppression (starting with ottoman empire) of arabs who took conservatism as way to escape and retaliate. remember, for 1000 years the Andulus was the entertainment capital of the world.
WE ALL saw how the famous Egyptian singer abdel halem hafez, French kissed his lover in his famous song “Gana el Hawa”. They were kissing the entire clip that infact it was ranked number one video clip in the history of arabic TV . today do we see that? in the 70s -only 35 years ago- arabs were more liberal than today.
I understand Tiger’s point of view. we need to learn how to live next to each other, peacefully. again, the power of choice. we need to get accustomed to it.
Mohanned
October 5, 2007 @ 10:01 pm
Bilal,
The issue here is not conservatism, it is the labeling of people. You can’t throw judgments on people simply because- you are not god, when we all meet god the decision will be GOD’s!
Lets hope they don’t enforce their laws on us one day! The proofs are all around us, and anyone who denies it is simply blind!
Comparing jordan to america is a fallacy, america is a continent, jordan is a small country, in america you choose where to live, in jordan you don’t have this option.
When you say kafer this means that he/she must be killed, heard about someone called bin-laden, or maybe you should pay a visit to ammon newsto read their latest piece about maan, or you can click on Nas’s link above!
“we need to learn how to live next to each other, peacefully. again, the power of choice.”
In their language there is no such thing as choice, either you are with us or you die because you are an infidel.
Peace out.
طفيلي( ahmad)
October 5, 2007 @ 11:09 pm
Mohanned said’ In their language there is no such thing as choice, either you are with us or you die because you are an infidel’
Do you know who force them to behave like that? it is you and other who want to imitate other culture. The religion and tradition are the most important thing in Jordan if you try to change them by applying new rules and systems , you are pushing normal people to extremists side.
Mohammad Khamash said (And I don’t understand that concept of “the roots’ )and (and after all the way, what if your roots wear rotten what I have to do, become a rotten one to, or just delete the stupid concept of “the roots” and make your one decision how to live your life, or else we wont step forward).
if you do not understand the concept of the root , because your roots is far away from Jordan in Southwest Asia . you should respect the place where your family are welcomed to live with native people to be Jordan like that .
This is problem now, people who are their grandfather and mum were not born in this country, and they want to change Jordan to suit them.
Jordan is not only Amman, wake up guys. Jordan is north and south and east and west.. .Jordan were started by tribes, these tribes protected Jordan from gang during black September when they were trying to kill our king and spread chose to Jordan. I am sure who believe that the Jordanian roots were rotten ; they will be on first plane escaping when there is a war in region. They can plant on other tree easily without concerning about the tree mother.
Mohammad Khamash
October 6, 2007 @ 12:05 am
Ahmad, you missed my point I meant that wither Jordanian or Palestinians or what ever, the community need to progress, I don’t want to change Jordan to suit me, but to suit the new world, what I meant is that I don’t care of who my roots lived, but how I well live on.
Any community shouldn’t look to his past, it should look to his future, and correct the mistake of his “roots” not to copy their life so we wont evolve. and your talking about Jordan culture as some thing that well never change, and shouldn’t change what so ever.
my point is you should get your brain out of your “3sherah” out of “Amman , or what ever city you came from”, and began to think in more wider sense. It is easy for me to say that I’m Carccasian\Jordanian\Swedish and I well never change my culture what so ever bad or wrong, and I well close my mind, and I well never learn any thing from others. And trust me there is a people like that in every country in the world.
So don’t take it personally I an not talking about Jordan or Arabs, I’m talking about the hole world, every body should share there culture.
tiger
October 6, 2007 @ 1:25 am
nice debates guys keep it going I am enjoying this because am seeing a lot of ideas some of them are new for me and some are not.
Mohammad Khamash :ya cd 3ala rasee el el sharkas wel sheeshan wel fals6eenyeh kolna moslemeen aw 3arab bel a’7eer.
regarding the roots understanding ur roots doesnt mean u have to abide letraly with it but at least dont deny it thats all respect it and be proud of it even if ur grandpa was a jackle(not intentionally meaning u boss ie.generic form).
bilal black jack :ANA BAMOOT FEEK YA ZALAMEH enteh eleee fahemnee a’7 law fee menak 3ala 10 bas kan marartee ma btefga3:)
thx guys for this lovely discussion and sorry roba i have igninted this kind of debate on ur blog although it was not my intention (maybe in my fanatasy world though:P)
Mohanned
October 6, 2007 @ 2:29 am
“Do you know who force them to behave like that? it is you and other who want to imitate other culture.”
Aha, so you are now justifying their mental and physical terror that they preach for!Amazing, you don’t know me habibi, so don’t throw judgments, I am more jordanian than you think and ree7et el 3anz 3endi a7san mn davidoff, so please don’t try to lool like the savior of jordanian traditions!
And what does balck sepetmber have to do with wadi el kafara?
The ramadan effect!
Salam, but just remember this, change is the norm, it is not the other way around.
Firas
October 6, 2007 @ 3:40 am
Leaflets, ah?
And half of the student council is being appointed by the government-friendly university administration, hath keef law kaan fee Oben Electionz?
Yeah 1970 – Commies
Post 1985 – Islamic Brotherhood ideology, fighting evil commies, funded by the US
I pray to God that Ramadan ends soon before someone gets hurt, I thought distributing leaflets of that nature is illegal?
Where did you get that photo?
Rania
October 6, 2007 @ 9:13 am
Roba, I was seriously infuriated by the ammannet article!
I have been to “Wadi Al Kafarah” twice in Ramadan. People don’t eat and smoke there “with loud giggles”; they simply want to hide from the judging eyes, because unless you’re not fasting, you’re not likely to be seen in Wadi Al Kafarah. If not fasting were a manifestation of “manliness”, like a student put it in that article, non-fasters would do it right in the middle of Share3 Innawar- the Vulgar Street, or better yet, on the stairs of 3oloum or Tibiyyeh for the world to see.
A label is a shield. A label is a sign of insecurity. When you immediately label a person or a place as “ikhs”, you’re giving yourself an excuse to never have to deal with them in your life. You don’t have enough courage/patience/humbleness to walk the extra mile of getting to know someone or finding out for yourself, and to justify that weakness of yours to the world, you turn it into a label that you stick on someone else’s forehead. Now, more people are repelled and you’re not alone.
“7afartali”. “Shubha”. “If I were you, I’d never go there”. “If you sit with them, your college reputation is smudged for life.”
I have always marveled at the conviction with which some people believe purely judgmental and ridiculously exaggerated claims, like the students in black sitting in Adab street are satanists who perform blood-drinking rites on the weekends or that they’ve actually been heard singing satanists chants on campus.
(They were really singing a Nightwish song just for the pleasure of it, and they have beautiful voices).
Oh, and Adab street (leading to Share3 il Kafarah) is also called Share3 Al Mudakhinat (Women Smokers Street).
Bilal - Black Jack
October 6, 2007 @ 9:54 am
Tiger: seebak min el kol, ya 3ame i7na elee fahmeen ba3ad sa7. :D
no guys, seriously i like u all, including all those who may be opposed to my own views. am glad we are beginning to accept other thoughts, other comments and other points of view. this is the path for a healthy society.
whether an online debate or a single online comment, constructive blogging like this is the way to go.
bas bendal ana o tiger elee fahmeen ba3ad sa7. lol. just teasing :D
Isam
October 6, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
This is similar to “el 3′orze” behind Economics Faculty in Yarmouk … it generates the same buzz …
about this whole labeling thing … i relate this to freedom of expression … if someone invented a label for you … let’s say “Kafer” … you shouldn’t be so sensitive about it because it represents something to them that is totally different from what you think … another example is the “Liberal” or “Free” label … which can hold positive and negative meanings depending on the group that labels you with it … i wouldn’t care one bit if some Hamas guy called me kafer … because i dont believe in his idiology … and thats that …
and Roba … i never thought of you as a pan-arabist !
Abed Al Razzak
October 6, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
hahah sweet, it looks like a nice place, i should go there sometime
so ruba… where exactly is this place ?? lol
Rania
October 6, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
Tiger and Bilal… you’re the same person, or else get a life.
Not here on the blog, I know. Sorry, Roba.
tiger
October 6, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
Rania believe it or not me and bilal we are not the same person and I do personally have a life which am enjoying to the max, I am well known to people here in the blogsphere and am commenting and reading robas blog(which i personally like so much) for a long time maybe this is the first time there is such a disagreement between me and her but if u look at it its not a disagreement its called an open dialogue and am not an annonymous person that would comment selly comments or trash talk but anyway thanks for ur advise though I ll keep it in mind:)
Bilal - Black Jack
October 6, 2007 @ 10:01 pm
Rania, you are so cute. :D
you can ask roba for the IP addresses of both mine and tiger or whatever data she has on this blog’s network. you can actually see that we both currently live in two different countries!
I am kidding, its time to reveal the truth: I AM actually tiger. I don’t want to surprise you further more, but I am also roba who runs this blog. yeah I have a tri-polar personality :D
طفيلي( ahmad)
October 7, 2007 @ 1:18 am
Mohanned ,(Salam, but just remember this, change is the norm, it is not the other way around.)
You are right , change is the norm .but it should come from outside or inside. if it comes from inside ,it is ok and normal .what i dislike when someone who spend sometime in west or USA and come back to lecture us about human and women rights or democracy or how people walk naked in high street , no one get angry .
I and we would like to see change from inside and need to find our way to be great nation. It is fine to get help from other countries but we take what is suit us not everything.
Mohanned ,( And what does balck September have to do with wadi el kafara?
The ramadan effect!)
we were talking about the concept of roots.
Mohanned ,( ree7et el 3anz 3endi a7san mn davidoff)
I like this sentence and i am sure there are allot of people who love Jordan like you and me.we disagree something but we have the same passion toward Jordan.
Mohanned ,( Aha, so you are now justifying their mental and physical terror that they preach for! Amazing, you don’t know me habibi, so don’t throw judgments, )
I think you watch fox news . . when there is fire in your house “(god forbid) , you will take bottle of oil and fuel away from your house. Look at the map of Jordan, IRAQ , SYRIA, Palestine., we live in region where there is disaster in every place, we need to learn from them to prevent disaster away from our country. Thus, we should not follow USA or islamic shcolarss. Poeple have to decide what is the best fro them ,
طفيلي( ahmad)
October 7, 2007 @ 1:31 am
Mohammad Khamash (you missed my point I meant that wither Jordanian or Palestinians or what ever, the community need to progress)
You are right But what kind of change should we adopt.? I am afraid to bel ike the native people in USA and AUSTRALIA.
Because if we loss our identity to satisfy certain group, the extremist group will have no prople to attract our youth from their devil ideology.
Now there are a lot of changes in family law by giving women rights more than what is allowed in islam. Now Islamic groups are using this change to make our place unstable by claming we are following the west and …..yes our women are suffering from a lot fo things, buy the change should come from dialogues and educations. This will take years and years , we should take this chance to do it not follow other.
May allah bless our jordan and royl family and keep them safe,
طفيلي( ahmad)
October 7, 2007 @ 1:41 am
the last thing , i am going to wirte in this blog, we are different and that is normal thing. we need to learn from each other and respect our opinions.
we love jordan , jordan is us.
salam
Sid Vicious
October 9, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Damn! I missed all of this! Well anyway…
Whoever doesn’t want to change should seriously think harder about everything before deciding to open his/her mouth and bless us with their inifinte words of wisdom.
Nothing should be kept under wraps, let them eat for crying out loud. Wadi al Kafarah, pfft, these guys should seriously get a hobby or something. Al-Razi, the great physician and philospher, wrote 3 books criticizing Religion and the prophet himself and they didn’t do anything to him, and that was 1100 years ago. For those looking up to the glories of the past, THAT’s exactly what made them great.
And this roots thing is the single stupidest piece of crap ever created. Roots. If you want it that way, then we’re all pagans. Also not all Arab, mostly Phoenician.
On the other hand, what we SHOULD do is:
Mind our own business.
Leave people alone.
Cut back on anything that interferes with anyone’s right to anything.
NOT PREACH ANYTHING TO ANYONE.
And maybe some other stuff.
And no, the streets aren’t gonna be overrun with whores and drug addicts as a consequence.
PS: LOL @ anti-spam word: Hush.
Shaden
October 12, 2007 @ 3:29 am
What is this? a bashing party? if you hate to be labeled then don’t label others. And when did conservatism become an insult or some kind of an accusation?
Everything is relative anyway, especially nowadays, no one is 100% anything! and you know what, I like it this way. Let people be themselves and respect their choices.
Husams
October 13, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
Sid Vicious, i totally agree with you.
Shaden if you want to let people be themselves then just stop the religious propaganda and blasphemy, its just doesnt sound right trying to convince people with a choice by threatening them after death! It’s just me or its really silly! Roba you really rocks, wish there are like other 50,000 girls as you in Jordan, and happy Eid to all ;)
Shaden
October 20, 2007 @ 12:36 am
Husams, what the hell are you talking about? what does letting people be themselves have to do with me stopping religoius propaganda? sorry to disappoint you but what I can do as an individual is to tolerate and accept others. I do what I can.
Iman
October 20, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
Roba,
You sound as though being referred to as ‘conservative’ is the ultimate insult. Don’t get too lost in the semantics…