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		<title>by: Anisah</title>
		<link>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/08/06/ikhwanjeyeh-are/#comment-16925</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think they are trying to prevent things like honor killings, in which the murderer gets little or no time in jail (and complains about the little time that they get!). A man can kill a woman for any reason and make up a story and get away with it. Sorry but this is not equal rights!

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		<title>by: imad</title>
		<link>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/08/06/ikhwanjeyeh-are/#comment-16922</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Calling HUSAMS Again: 
i am writing my MA dissertation on this topic, is it possible to correspond with you via e-mail? My e-mail is: zunji@hotmail.com  Drop me a line as I'm unable to view your contact details.
Thanks
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calling HUSAMS Again:<br />
i am writing my MA dissertation on this topic, is it possible to correspond with you via e-mail? My e-mail is: <a href="mailto:zunji@hotmail.com">zunji@hotmail.com</a>  Drop me a line as I&#8217;m unable to view your contact details.<br />
Thanks<br />
Imad<br />
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		<title>by: Don Cox</title>
		<link>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/08/06/ikhwanjeyeh-are/#comment-16815</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;I dont describe myself as islamist &quot;

I don't think anyone describes himself as an Islamist. It is an expression used to describe other people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I dont describe myself as islamist &#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone describes himself as an Islamist. It is an expression used to describe other people.
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		<title>by: imad</title>
		<link>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/08/06/ikhwanjeyeh-are/#comment-16768</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Husams ,  i am writing my MA dissertation on this topic, is it possible to correspond with you via e-mail?  you can write me at:  zunji@ hotmail. com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Husams ,  i am writing my MA dissertation on this topic, is it possible to correspond with you via e-mail?  you can write me at:  zunji@ hotmail. com
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		<title>by: Pheras Hilal</title>
		<link>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/08/06/ikhwanjeyeh-are/#comment-16763</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Husams, thanks so much for the information you have posted.

First, I still do not understand, why do some Jordanians, mainly the most religious of Jordanians, and in general, Islamists, strongly oppose granting women further rights and space? Why has the average Arab, grown to develop a phobia against providing women with equal rights? Why does empowering women scare Arabs so much? And why do Arabs feel threatened by women?

The Muslim Brotherhood, only used female candidates in the elections to run, so that they can guarantee a bigger representation by using the Government's quota for women. So, the quota guarantees six seats for women, and the MB wants to make sure that they can get as many seats as possible by using female candidates to get a portion of these six seats.

Another thing, I, as a Jordanian citizen, do not care whether women's rights do not adhere to the Islamic Law. First of all, the percentage of Christians is around 6 percent. So why should these Christians adhere to such Islamic laws opposed by them? Why is it that we still insist on letting the majority overrule the minorities? 

Also, if you want to bring it back to Islam. How are these idiotic so called &quot;honor killings&quot; part of Islam? Islam clearly stated that in the absence of a proper Islamic State, not one person is allowed to act upon Islam's law of punishment individually. Meaning, that only a proper Islamic State can impose a punishment or a sanction on a so called &quot;sinner&quot;. Not to mention that over half of these &quot;honor killings&quot; the victim is normally a virgin, or not sexually active to say the least. It's time that we remove this law, and if the MB is in the way, then so be it, they have only caused us more damage than benefits.

It is clear what the MB wants. The MB controls placing our school curriculum. Our curriculum is planted with meaningless crap. In a 1st Grade and 2nd Grade textbook, you read the following: &quot;Ali is helping his father in the field, while Reem is helping her mother doing the dishes&quot;. What kind of message does this send to our children? That your mother and sister's place is in the kitchen?! And that your father is busy playing shepard with the sheep?! How backward is that? Plus, I have yet to learn, about a Science book, that connects religion with science. Religion is one thing, and science is another. So why exactly do you have to embed excerpts of the Quraan in a science book? I respect Islam as a religion, and all religious people. But when it comes to the point that it is brainwashing our children, and it reaches the point of &quot;do or die&quot;, that's where I, as a Jordanian citizen, have got to draw the line.

True, the MB are not rejecting providing women with equal opportunities to men in the workplace. But they are rejecting the country's political and social reforms in empowering women. The MB clearly still want women to be under the authority and shadow of men. The MB clearly wants women to remain washing the dishes, and to walk around in black tents, and for women refrain from speaking out, and to only remain as baby-making machines. My proof? The MB's wives and daughters. They want to our mothers, daughters and sisters to become like their wives and daughters, and I simply reject that. Women's rights should become a BIRTHRIGHT, and not a privilege.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Husams, thanks so much for the information you have posted.</p>
<p>First, I still do not understand, why do some Jordanians, mainly the most religious of Jordanians, and in general, Islamists, strongly oppose granting women further rights and space? Why has the average Arab, grown to develop a phobia against providing women with equal rights? Why does empowering women scare Arabs so much? And why do Arabs feel threatened by women?</p>
<p>The Muslim Brotherhood, only used female candidates in the elections to run, so that they can guarantee a bigger representation by using the Government&#8217;s quota for women. So, the quota guarantees six seats for women, and the MB wants to make sure that they can get as many seats as possible by using female candidates to get a portion of these six seats.</p>
<p>Another thing, I, as a Jordanian citizen, do not care whether women&#8217;s rights do not adhere to the Islamic Law. First of all, the percentage of Christians is around 6 percent. So why should these Christians adhere to such Islamic laws opposed by them? Why is it that we still insist on letting the majority overrule the minorities? </p>
<p>Also, if you want to bring it back to Islam. How are these idiotic so called &#8220;honor killings&#8221; part of Islam? Islam clearly stated that in the absence of a proper Islamic State, not one person is allowed to act upon Islam&#8217;s law of punishment individually. Meaning, that only a proper Islamic State can impose a punishment or a sanction on a so called &#8220;sinner&#8221;. Not to mention that over half of these &#8220;honor killings&#8221; the victim is normally a virgin, or not sexually active to say the least. It&#8217;s time that we remove this law, and if the MB is in the way, then so be it, they have only caused us more damage than benefits.</p>
<p>It is clear what the MB wants. The MB controls placing our school curriculum. Our curriculum is planted with meaningless crap. In a 1st Grade and 2nd Grade textbook, you read the following: &#8220;Ali is helping his father in the field, while Reem is helping her mother doing the dishes&#8221;. What kind of message does this send to our children? That your mother and sister&#8217;s place is in the kitchen?! And that your father is busy playing shepard with the sheep?! How backward is that? Plus, I have yet to learn, about a Science book, that connects religion with science. Religion is one thing, and science is another. So why exactly do you have to embed excerpts of the Quraan in a science book? I respect Islam as a religion, and all religious people. But when it comes to the point that it is brainwashing our children, and it reaches the point of &#8220;do or die&#8221;, that&#8217;s where I, as a Jordanian citizen, have got to draw the line.</p>
<p>True, the MB are not rejecting providing women with equal opportunities to men in the workplace. But they are rejecting the country&#8217;s political and social reforms in empowering women. The MB clearly still want women to be under the authority and shadow of men. The MB clearly wants women to remain washing the dishes, and to walk around in black tents, and for women refrain from speaking out, and to only remain as baby-making machines. My proof? The MB&#8217;s wives and daughters. They want to our mothers, daughters and sisters to become like their wives and daughters, and I simply reject that. Women&#8217;s rights should become a BIRTHRIGHT, and not a privilege.
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		<title>by: Adnan</title>
		<link>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/08/06/ikhwanjeyeh-are/#comment-16762</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 08:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Mohanned,

one simple old saying came to my mind; I think it is of Sarter.. it says something like &quot;I may disagree with you but I am ready to give my life to ensure that you say your mind freely&quot;.. I think that if we ever get to believe in this and practice it on the ground (in the street, university, voting, media... etc) then at that moment we can call ourselves democracy.. 

no hard feelings.. its just a blog and exchange of opinions.. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mohanned,</p>
<p>one simple old saying came to my mind; I think it is of Sarter.. it says something like &#8220;I may disagree with you but I am ready to give my life to ensure that you say your mind freely&#8221;.. I think that if we ever get to believe in this and practice it on the ground (in the street, university, voting, media&#8230; etc) then at that moment we can call ourselves democracy.. </p>
<p>no hard feelings.. its just a blog and exchange of opinions.. :)
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		<title>by: Mohanned</title>
		<link>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/08/06/ikhwanjeyeh-are/#comment-16755</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Adnan,
I didn't not mean to disrespect you in any way, and no need  to get so defensive.
In your comment above you complained and said 
&quot;he/she should at least read and investigate well before shooting biased acqusations..&quot;

you did exaclty the opposite, and that is wrong and you lost your credibilty with me at least. And regarding democracy I know exaclty what it means and I am one of the biggest advocates for it, but at the same time it is my duty and my right to show what the &quot;ikhawejeyeh&quot; really are.

Anyway, I hope you don't take it personal, but I simply don't like the IAF, and I will do my best to unmask them and strip them to their real truth. 

I alos read between the lines, islamists are threatnning with civil disobedience and taking things to the street, but rest assured there are still men in jordan who will give up their lives to protect our security.

Thanks, and again don't take it personal ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adnan,<br />
I didn&#8217;t not mean to disrespect you in any way, and no need  to get so defensive.<br />
In your comment above you complained and said<br />
&#8220;he/she should at least read and investigate well before shooting biased acqusations..&#8221;</p>
<p>you did exaclty the opposite, and that is wrong and you lost your credibilty with me at least. And regarding democracy I know exaclty what it means and I am one of the biggest advocates for it, but at the same time it is my duty and my right to show what the &#8220;ikhawejeyeh&#8221; really are.</p>
<p>Anyway, I hope you don&#8217;t take it personal, but I simply don&#8217;t like the IAF, and I will do my best to unmask them and strip them to their real truth. </p>
<p>I alos read between the lines, islamists are threatnning with civil disobedience and taking things to the street, but rest assured there are still men in jordan who will give up their lives to protect our security.</p>
<p>Thanks, and again don&#8217;t take it personal ;)
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		<title>by: Adnan</title>
		<link>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/08/06/ikhwanjeyeh-are/#comment-16748</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/08/06/ikhwanjeyeh-are/#comment-16748</guid>
					<description>Muhannad,

I have no interest in taking this discussion to the level that you may find in government newspapers or try to get into a &quot;saleh gallab&quot; kind of discussion, but some points to clarify:
- You are right about the female candidate from Zarqa, I must have got confused between her  and Ali Abul Sukkar who did get the highest number of votes in 2003 elections. Still, that does not cancel the main point: islamists are actually practicing equal opportunities to women even inside their own house by presenting women candidates in elections on all levels: from universities to parleament and even to ministers level like the case in Palestine .. I was not actually arguing that they have 100% approval by the people as you may think!

- I am not doing any propaganda or anything, and I hope that we stick to polite, gentle language when we discuss if we respect this forum and its owner. I am not a &quot;ikhwanji&quot; and never was before, I never elected an islamist and I normally do not agree 100% with their programs and actually went into strong discussions with some of their leaders (which btw never went to a level of false and blind accusations and normally were structured and quite discussions). I am married to a well educated and working woman who does not wear hijab. I am not saying that being one of them is an accusation but its just not who I am, all what made me post a reply is that the piece of news Ruba quoted said that the islamists are rejecting the treaty because it promotes equal opportunities of work, education... etc and I just wanted to set the record streight.. 

- Democracy my friend is a nobel thing, but it will get the good and the bad as well and the people should have the right to chose and take responsibility of their choices. If the government still believes that it is the &quot;father&quot; of all people and that without its control and intervention then we are still far away from Democracy, and if you want to practice democracy then you should expect to be criticized and to criticize as well, look at the response of the prime minister to the acqusations of forging the elections; it was full of the old fashioned 80's language of a police man.. if the islamists want to accuse the rightousness of the elections then let it be, let them take their accusations to courts - it is the only democratic way to resolve conflicts between governments and oppositions in the free world, last time I checked the justice authorities were ensured to be independent. 

finally, thank you Ruba for changing the title of the post, it reassures my feeling about you that you are a smart, fair person..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muhannad,</p>
<p>I have no interest in taking this discussion to the level that you may find in government newspapers or try to get into a &#8220;saleh gallab&#8221; kind of discussion, but some points to clarify:<br />
- You are right about the female candidate from Zarqa, I must have got confused between her  and Ali Abul Sukkar who did get the highest number of votes in 2003 elections. Still, that does not cancel the main point: islamists are actually practicing equal opportunities to women even inside their own house by presenting women candidates in elections on all levels: from universities to parleament and even to ministers level like the case in Palestine .. I was not actually arguing that they have 100% approval by the people as you may think!</p>
<p>- I am not doing any propaganda or anything, and I hope that we stick to polite, gentle language when we discuss if we respect this forum and its owner. I am not a &#8220;ikhwanji&#8221; and never was before, I never elected an islamist and I normally do not agree 100% with their programs and actually went into strong discussions with some of their leaders (which btw never went to a level of false and blind accusations and normally were structured and quite discussions). I am married to a well educated and working woman who does not wear hijab. I am not saying that being one of them is an accusation but its just not who I am, all what made me post a reply is that the piece of news Ruba quoted said that the islamists are rejecting the treaty because it promotes equal opportunities of work, education&#8230; etc and I just wanted to set the record streight.. </p>
<p>- Democracy my friend is a nobel thing, but it will get the good and the bad as well and the people should have the right to chose and take responsibility of their choices. If the government still believes that it is the &#8220;father&#8221; of all people and that without its control and intervention then we are still far away from Democracy, and if you want to practice democracy then you should expect to be criticized and to criticize as well, look at the response of the prime minister to the acqusations of forging the elections; it was full of the old fashioned 80&#8217;s language of a police man.. if the islamists want to accuse the rightousness of the elections then let it be, let them take their accusations to courts - it is the only democratic way to resolve conflicts between governments and oppositions in the free world, last time I checked the justice authorities were ensured to be independent. </p>
<p>finally, thank you Ruba for changing the title of the post, it reassures my feeling about you that you are a smart, fair person..
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		<title>by: طفيلي(ahmad)</title>
		<link>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/08/06/ikhwanjeyeh-are/#comment-16740</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 01:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think in next 5 yeras We need to establsih an organisation to protect men rights in jordan ????
I hop they will chnage some of these rules and tradaition which is good for women .

I will give an example....

when women get married ,she does not  not contribuite in marrige and groom prepare every things.,house, gold,wedding party....

Even when she get divorced , husband has to pay her combinsation around 20000 doller why?!

and 

she is not supposed to pay for life cost even she has get income!!!!!!

And  
if man hit women ,it will be disaster where men get hit by women it is inoccent case .







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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think in next 5 yeras We need to establsih an organisation to protect men rights in jordan ????<br />
I hop they will chnage some of these rules and tradaition which is good for women .</p>
<p>I will give an example&#8230;.</p>
<p>when women get married ,she does not  not contribuite in marrige and groom prepare every things.,house, gold,wedding party&#8230;.</p>
<p>Even when she get divorced , husband has to pay her combinsation around 20000 doller why?!</p>
<p>and </p>
<p>she is not supposed to pay for life cost even she has get income!!!!!!</p>
<p>And<br />
if man hit women ,it will be disaster where men get hit by women it is inoccent case .</p>
<p>&#8230;
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		<title>by: euroarabe</title>
		<link>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/08/06/ikhwanjeyeh-are/#comment-16736</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>nice one Husams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice one Husams.
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