Comments on: Half half http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/07/29/half-half/ Another Casualty to the Seduction Of Art Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:40:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc by: Amer http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/07/29/half-half/#comment-18279 Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:08:04 +0000 http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/07/29/half-half/#comment-18279 The WORST excuse for the 46% failing rate is that "we don't have space for any more graduates in universities." The test itself is the flawed item - regardless of what happens before/after it, regardless of where the passing portion goes. If the grading process is steered by how much "room for passing students" we have, the education board has a much bigger legal problem. The king continually asks why top Jordanian graduates flee the country the minute they're off the hook - well, this is exactly why. This everchanging, inconsistent, unpredictable test that, no matter how well you prepare, it always depends on your grader's mood at the time, and surrounding conditions like "space" and who you know. It's absolutely pathetic - and leaves the country with the robots who memorize their way through college and graduate capable of nothing but local engineering and local medicine, because their methodology is simply invalid anywhere else in the world. As someone who recently graduated college in the United States after passing with a 96% in a Jordananian high school, I can definitely tell you that more than 75% of my graduating class in high school was admitted and traveled overseas to pursue upper education and a relevant career. Trust me, Twjihi's last problem is SPACE. The WORST excuse for the 46% failing rate is that “we don’t have space for any more graduates in universities.” The test itself is the flawed item - regardless of what happens before/after it, regardless of where the passing portion goes.

If the grading process is steered by how much “room for passing students” we have, the education board has a much bigger legal problem.

The king continually asks why top Jordanian graduates flee the country the minute they’re off the hook - well, this is exactly why. This everchanging, inconsistent, unpredictable test that, no matter how well you prepare, it always depends on your grader’s mood at the time, and surrounding conditions like “space” and who you know. It’s absolutely pathetic - and leaves the country with the robots who memorize their way through college and graduate capable of nothing but local engineering and local medicine, because their methodology is simply invalid anywhere else in the world.

As someone who recently graduated college in the United States after passing with a 96% in a Jordananian high school, I can definitely tell you that more than 75% of my graduating class in high school was admitted and traveled overseas to pursue upper education and a relevant career. Trust me, Twjihi’s last problem is SPACE.

]]> by: Isam http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/07/29/half-half/#comment-16667 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 06:32:59 +0000 http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/07/29/half-half/#comment-16667 Besh : no but close ;) i went the Yarmouk ... what is known amongst us engineers as Hijjawi :( blv me it was hard as hell ... i have no idea how i ever graduated :) peace bro Besh : no but close ;) i went the Yarmouk … what is known amongst us engineers as Hijjawi :( blv me it was hard as hell … i have no idea how i ever graduated :) peace bro

]]> by: besh http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/07/29/half-half/#comment-16665 Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:49:47 +0000 http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/07/29/half-half/#comment-16665 Isam!! do u study in PSUT..?!!! LooL if so i think we have met before :) anyway if we WANT the best we have to GIVE the best we could what u reap is what u saw yet still u can hear people talking about how it all ended up just fine and no harm is done, so why do we care?!!!! YEAH WE DO NOT CARE FOR THOSE LOSERS WHO FAILED TAWJIHI yettabbalo!!!they dont desreve to pass anyway! YA!! well thats just a little bit incorrect. yes we do have a relatively strong and good edu. system but still there is many gaps that need to be filled.why? because we are entering a new era and very soon we ganna have to compete with everybody who is interested due to open market policy. so if we dont have an extra very good edu. system we can just all turn into consumers and/or service providers (none of those contain producers nor scientists)!! if we cool with that, then say again (whats the use of an educational system ??!!!!!) Isam!!
do u study in PSUT..?!!!
LooL
if so i think we have met before :)
anyway if we WANT the best we have to GIVE the best we could
what u reap is what u saw
yet still u can hear people talking about how it all ended up just fine and no harm is done, so why do we care?!!!!
YEAH WE DO NOT CARE FOR THOSE LOSERS WHO FAILED TAWJIHI
yettabbalo!!!they dont desreve to pass anyway!
YA!!
well thats just a little bit incorrect.
yes we do have a relatively strong and good edu. system but still there is many gaps that need to be filled.why? because we are entering a new era and very soon we ganna have to compete with everybody who is interested due to open market policy. so if we dont have an extra very good edu. system we can just all turn into consumers and/or service providers (none of those contain producers nor scientists)!! if we cool with that, then say again (whats the use of an educational system ??!!!!!)

]]> by: babazahra' http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/07/29/half-half/#comment-16647 Mon, 30 Jul 2007 04:47:04 +0000 http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/07/29/half-half/#comment-16647 i still remember my landlord back in Mafraq 1998-2001 his oldest son seat three times in Tawjihi and like they always said you'll finally success on 3rd attempt so, keep on trying dude! i still remember my landlord back in Mafraq 1998-2001
his oldest son seat three times in Tawjihi and like they always said
you’ll finally success on 3rd attempt
so, keep on trying dude!

]]> by: Osama Humeid http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/07/29/half-half/#comment-16646 Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:48:12 +0000 http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/07/29/half-half/#comment-16646 Hello, Happy BDAY!, so tawjihi then, well i think it should be lot more than that figure, why? well, i believe 80% of Tawjihi graduates don't deserve to even look at a uni, i am not saying Tawjihi system as it is now is OK, no everyone knows it sucks, but let us suppose that their is a fair damn exam which qualifies who should and should not reach his next step in the education hierarchy among cute Jordanian youth, it should not be more than 25%, at least thats how i look at it from my modest experience in the Jordanian education system. and happy bday again Hello,

Happy BDAY!, so tawjihi then, well i think it should be lot more than that figure, why? well, i believe 80% of Tawjihi graduates don’t deserve to even look at a uni, i am not saying Tawjihi system as it is now is OK, no everyone knows it sucks, but let us suppose that their is a fair damn exam which qualifies who should and should not reach his next step in the education hierarchy among cute Jordanian youth, it should not be more than 25%, at least thats how i look at it from my modest experience in the Jordanian education system. and happy bday again

]]> by: Haitham Issam http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/07/29/half-half/#comment-16645 Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:51:46 +0000 http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/07/29/half-half/#comment-16645 Isam, I was "quoting" you. Take a chill pill. Isam, I was “quoting” you. Take a chill pill.

]]> by: Pheras Hilal http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/07/29/half-half/#comment-16644 Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:48:57 +0000 http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/07/29/half-half/#comment-16644 Roba, that's relatively a high percentage, in my year (2004), around 60 percent of the Scientific Stream's students had failed in at least one subject. But our year was one hell of a year; the year where the exam's questions were leaked out and we had to retake a lot of subjects. Not to mention giving only half a day to study the whole Thakafeh 3ameh book! Imagine! But really, doesn't this indicate that our educational system is failing? Roba, that’s relatively a high percentage, in my year (2004), around 60 percent of the Scientific Stream’s students had failed in at least one subject. But our year was one hell of a year; the year where the exam’s questions were leaked out and we had to retake a lot of subjects. Not to mention giving only half a day to study the whole Thakafeh 3ameh book! Imagine!

But really, doesn’t this indicate that our educational system is failing?

]]> by: Isam http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/07/29/half-half/#comment-16643 Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:34:59 +0000 http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/07/29/half-half/#comment-16643 Haitham ... if u know one person who failed tawjihi and then moved on to a successful life it doesnt mean that tawjihi is not fair ... its simply a system anomaly ... think of percentages ... and then discuss ... do not base your discussion on some case you've seen ... and most of us didn't ... for your information ... i am one of those who were "opressed" by the tawjihi system ... because i scored very low compared with my IQ ... i lost half the marks for math ,,, but my other marks where high enough to get me to study electrical engineering ... and in university i failed more than 30 credits in math related subjects ... thats why i started believing in Tawjihi ... Haitham … if u know one person who failed tawjihi and then moved on to a successful life it doesnt mean that tawjihi is not fair … its simply a system anomaly … think of percentages … and then discuss … do not base your discussion on some case you’ve seen … and most of us didn’t …

for your information … i am one of those who were “opressed” by the tawjihi system … because i scored very low compared with my IQ … i lost half the marks for math ,,, but my other marks where high enough to get me to study electrical engineering … and in university i failed more than 30 credits in math related subjects … thats why i started believing in Tawjihi …

]]> by: ma7joob http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/07/29/half-half/#comment-16642 Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:17:55 +0000 http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/07/29/half-half/#comment-16642 we don't have space for everyone to go into uni , it's as simple as that , we have hard tawjeehi because we only want the BEST , i am totally with tawjeehi and it's results . plus it's not that hard , ya3ni if you study you'll pass , even if you have low IQ we don’t have space for everyone to go into uni , it’s as simple as that , we have hard tawjeehi because we only want the BEST , i am totally with tawjeehi and it’s results . plus it’s not that hard , ya3ni if you study you’ll pass , even if you have low IQ

]]> by: Haitham Issam http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/07/29/half-half/#comment-16641 Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:18:32 +0000 http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/07/29/half-half/#comment-16641 Isam, what you said is a slight generalization of the Jordanian perspective to education: "...if you can't PASS this exam … you shouldnt persue an academic degree … find a profession where you’re not sitting at a desk like in every jordanian’s dream … and you will make a good living out of it..." This really can't be true, at all. Everybody knows somebody who didn't make it through that test and he's doing just fine pursuing some kind of job, while on the other hand, another somebody is still dreaming of "Amerga" or the "Bee-Am" instead of dreaming of a decent "Desk-Job". Isam, what you said is a slight generalization of the Jordanian perspective to education:

“…if you can’t PASS this exam … you shouldnt persue an academic degree … find a profession where you’re not sitting at a desk like in every jordanian’s dream … and you will make a good living out of it…”

This really can’t be true, at all. Everybody knows somebody who didn’t make it through that test and he’s doing just fine pursuing some kind of job, while on the other hand, another somebody is still dreaming of “Amerga” or the “Bee-Am” instead of dreaming of a decent “Desk-Job”.

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