<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: 59</title>
	<atom:link href="http://andfaraway.net/blog/index.php/2007/05/15/59/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/05/15/59/</link>
	<description>Another Casualty to the Seduction Of Art</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:25:55 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" />
	<item>
		<title>By: mike marcus</title>
		<link>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/05/15/59/comment-page-1/#comment-16502</link>
		<dc:creator>mike marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/05/15/59/#comment-16502</guid>
		<description>It makes me so sad that Golda Meir speaks on behalf of my people, the Israeli Jews. Why is it that we veermently fight Holocuast denial and its supporters while denying the plain an obvious fact of the Nakba? Its almost like if you say something enough, it becomes true whatever the evidence.

I&#039;m personally sorry for the Nakba and its subsequent denial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes me so sad that Golda Meir speaks on behalf of my people, the Israeli Jews. Why is it that we veermently fight Holocuast denial and its supporters while denying the plain an obvious fact of the Nakba? Its almost like if you say something enough, it becomes true whatever the evidence.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m personally sorry for the Nakba and its subsequent denial.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: 7aki Fadi</title>
		<link>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/05/15/59/comment-page-1/#comment-15757</link>
		<dc:creator>7aki Fadi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 02:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/05/15/59/#comment-15757</guid>
		<description>Well Said Tiger...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Said Tiger&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mohanned</title>
		<link>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/05/15/59/comment-page-1/#comment-15756</link>
		<dc:creator>Mohanned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 00:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/05/15/59/#comment-15756</guid>
		<description>Well first of all a nation that considers itself the prefered by god is not my favorite, A nation that is built on one relegion is not my favorite neither, A nation that treats people based on their race and give the &quot;social&quot; degrees is not my favorite, A nation where every human being is a soldier is not my favorite, If you combine all this you will get one nation in the world!!
I remember watching MSNBC when Israel bombed lebanon, and this NBC guy called tucker decided to visit the beachs of tel aviv to see if people were afraid to go there, for his surprise he found some youth partying and drinking so he asked them about what they doing here? Their reply was and I quote &quot;We are just partying because tomorrow we will be killing Arabs&quot; The reporter was Shoked and said in sad voice&quot; I leave it to you to decide who is the victim&quot;

More than 9 million palastenians didn&#039;t come from mars!!So if we want to talk about history and nations we can tell by your numbers!What is it 30 million?

This reply is intended for hate mongers who claim that no such thing as palastine existed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well first of all a nation that considers itself the prefered by god is not my favorite, A nation that is built on one relegion is not my favorite neither, A nation that treats people based on their race and give the &#8220;social&#8221; degrees is not my favorite, A nation where every human being is a soldier is not my favorite, If you combine all this you will get one nation in the world!!<br />
I remember watching MSNBC when Israel bombed lebanon, and this NBC guy called tucker decided to visit the beachs of tel aviv to see if people were afraid to go there, for his surprise he found some youth partying and drinking so he asked them about what they doing here? Their reply was and I quote &#8220;We are just partying because tomorrow we will be killing Arabs&#8221; The reporter was Shoked and said in sad voice&#8221; I leave it to you to decide who is the victim&#8221;</p>
<p>More than 9 million palastenians didn&#8217;t come from mars!!So if we want to talk about history and nations we can tell by your numbers!What is it 30 million?</p>
<p>This reply is intended for hate mongers who claim that no such thing as palastine existed!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tiger</title>
		<link>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/05/15/59/comment-page-1/#comment-15752</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 20:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/05/15/59/#comment-15752</guid>
		<description>&lt;b&gt;Du Yasi&lt;/b&gt;

Well well well see I read this post and didnt comment on it and I wasn&#039;t welling to comment or to add anything becoz am simply like the author a palestinian refugee and I put three lines under palestinian ....

ur logic to debate is fine .....lets see the &quot;----&quot; what you mentioned is as following:
1.Palestine terminology is a media creation to support new arabian dectators that emerged after World War 1 and 2.

2.There were no People living in palestine and actually they were bunch of refugees that were running away from othmanis.

3.Palestine is a part of syria....(hmmmmmmm NOOOOOOO lebanon maybe but palestine never).

4.you told the author that she is either twisting the facts or she has been decived all of her life.

5.you mentioned a bunch of reffrences (why dont you just put an add for those guys and beg the readers to read for those zionist fashiost!!!).


so let me ask you a question in the similar manner:

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat the HELLL is Israel????then???

1.there was no israeallis in lets call it as what you saying no man land &quot;Palestine&quot;.
2.there is nothing even no one single reffrence before World War 1 or 2 mentioning israeal as a place,location,nation or even a bag ,a shoe a toothpaste or a brand name nothing zerooooooo.

3.the temple or what is called the origin of israel ligitmate existance is not located in jerusalem city it is actually located near nablus city (west bank)in a place called Sammurah  high lands which is the original terminology for  jews who were living in palestine.

4.Israeally citizens origins r based on their relegion which makes israeal the only the onlllllllllllllly state in the world that gives citizenship based on relegion not based on your origin or place of birth or even on immigration which make it the state of the art in racism.

5.lets ask your question in a diffrent way was there something called america before?what is americans then??????no sir there is no such a thing even amiricans didnt live in amrica for more than 500 years .

6.from all whats above lets call it I debated you with the same logic and I ll leave it to the readers to judge your kind of logic.

now if you are ignorant and miss lead by your own historians let me put some points clear to your view:
1.first of all there is nothing called syria,Lebanon,Jordan,Palestine....through allll history those 4 nations were gathered under the same naming  they were called Al Shaaaam. full stop.

2.These countries were under othmanee government who were rulling from egypt till iraq turkey and reached the borders of viena.

3.The freedom of movement was valid for everyone there was no ariports,armies or anything all under othmanee ruler so they r actually a one nation

4.After the Turks lost world war 1 with their allies and went bankropsee and were called the ill man of euroupe they started selling these countries to Britan ,france and others who were the new colonial imperial powers back then similar to USA.

5.then there was something called Syches Beeko agreement to make 5 countries which is iraq,lebanon Syria,Jordan and palestine but the only country who were under direct british ruling was palestine all others were declared either as kingdoms or states but palestine was not declared by the british becoz they still wanted to control it due to its strategic location.

6.Now due to palestine importance to arabs and muslims it was actually considered like Mecaa a place that everyone shares the right to belong to so you ll not find someone telling Mecca is a saudi it is actually a pure ARABIAN MUSLIM Land so everyone lived there in palestine and immigrated to and from due to its relegious and economical importance and it was an agricultural and businuess centre for centuries in the middle east.

you know something after all I have to thank you for one thing you have indirectly high lighted why palestine have been stolen from palestinians and arabs simply becoz they started to think of it as palestinian land not arabic muslim or christian lands and becoz of our band intrepertation we lost our main cause so after all yes it is not a palestinian land it is an ARABIC land.....

for the readers who reached reading till here thx   for the efoort and sorry for writing that much but some either ignorants,miss lead or liars need to be viewed the right way....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Du Yasi</b></p>
<p>Well well well see I read this post and didnt comment on it and I wasn&#8217;t welling to comment or to add anything becoz am simply like the author a palestinian refugee and I put three lines under palestinian &#8230;.</p>
<p>ur logic to debate is fine &#8230;..lets see the &#8220;&#8212;-&#8221; what you mentioned is as following:<br />
1.Palestine terminology is a media creation to support new arabian dectators that emerged after World War 1 and 2.</p>
<p>2.There were no People living in palestine and actually they were bunch of refugees that were running away from othmanis.</p>
<p>3.Palestine is a part of syria&#8230;.(hmmmmmmm NOOOOOOO lebanon maybe but palestine never).</p>
<p>4.you told the author that she is either twisting the facts or she has been decived all of her life.</p>
<p>5.you mentioned a bunch of reffrences (why dont you just put an add for those guys and beg the readers to read for those zionist fashiost!!!).</p>
<p>so let me ask you a question in the similar manner:</p>
<p>Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat the HELLL is Israel????then???</p>
<p>1.there was no israeallis in lets call it as what you saying no man land &#8220;Palestine&#8221;.<br />
2.there is nothing even no one single reffrence before World War 1 or 2 mentioning israeal as a place,location,nation or even a bag ,a shoe a toothpaste or a brand name nothing zerooooooo.</p>
<p>3.the temple or what is called the origin of israel ligitmate existance is not located in jerusalem city it is actually located near nablus city (west bank)in a place called Sammurah  high lands which is the original terminology for  jews who were living in palestine.</p>
<p>4.Israeally citizens origins r based on their relegion which makes israeal the only the onlllllllllllllly state in the world that gives citizenship based on relegion not based on your origin or place of birth or even on immigration which make it the state of the art in racism.</p>
<p>5.lets ask your question in a diffrent way was there something called america before?what is americans then??????no sir there is no such a thing even amiricans didnt live in amrica for more than 500 years .</p>
<p>6.from all whats above lets call it I debated you with the same logic and I ll leave it to the readers to judge your kind of logic.</p>
<p>now if you are ignorant and miss lead by your own historians let me put some points clear to your view:<br />
1.first of all there is nothing called syria,Lebanon,Jordan,Palestine&#8230;.through allll history those 4 nations were gathered under the same naming  they were called Al Shaaaam. full stop.</p>
<p>2.These countries were under othmanee government who were rulling from egypt till iraq turkey and reached the borders of viena.</p>
<p>3.The freedom of movement was valid for everyone there was no ariports,armies or anything all under othmanee ruler so they r actually a one nation</p>
<p>4.After the Turks lost world war 1 with their allies and went bankropsee and were called the ill man of euroupe they started selling these countries to Britan ,france and others who were the new colonial imperial powers back then similar to USA.</p>
<p>5.then there was something called Syches Beeko agreement to make 5 countries which is iraq,lebanon Syria,Jordan and palestine but the only country who were under direct british ruling was palestine all others were declared either as kingdoms or states but palestine was not declared by the british becoz they still wanted to control it due to its strategic location.</p>
<p>6.Now due to palestine importance to arabs and muslims it was actually considered like Mecaa a place that everyone shares the right to belong to so you ll not find someone telling Mecca is a saudi it is actually a pure ARABIAN MUSLIM Land so everyone lived there in palestine and immigrated to and from due to its relegious and economical importance and it was an agricultural and businuess centre for centuries in the middle east.</p>
<p>you know something after all I have to thank you for one thing you have indirectly high lighted why palestine have been stolen from palestinians and arabs simply becoz they started to think of it as palestinian land not arabic muslim or christian lands and becoz of our band intrepertation we lost our main cause so after all yes it is not a palestinian land it is an ARABIC land&#8230;..</p>
<p>for the readers who reached reading till here thx   for the efoort and sorry for writing that much but some either ignorants,miss lead or liars need to be viewed the right way&#8230;.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Du Yisa</title>
		<link>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/05/15/59/comment-page-1/#comment-15747</link>
		<dc:creator>Du Yisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 15:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/05/15/59/#comment-15747</guid>
		<description>Apparently memory isn&#039;t important enough to include the fact that your people were displaced as the result of an openly genocidal war which you started.  Too bad. Memory also apparently doesn&#039;t include the fact that a large percentage of what became the &#039;Palestinian&#039; &#039;refugee&#039; population are in fact descendants of late 19th/early 20th century immigrants from what are now Egypt and Syria - a brief perusal of Ottoman and British censuses amply documents it.

Apparently, memory also doesn&#039;t include the following:

No independent Arab or Palestinian state ever existed in Palestine. When the distinguished Arab-American historian, Princeton University Prof. Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, he said: “There is no such thing as ‘ Palestine’ in history, absolutely not.”1

Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted:

We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds.2

In 1937, a local Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, told the Peel Commission, which ultimately suggested the partition of Palestine: “There is no such country as Palestine! ‘ Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria.3

The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947 that said, Palestine was part of the Province of Syriaand that, politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity. A few years later, Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, told the Security Council: “It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria.”4

Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War and Israel’s capture of the West Bank.

Notes

1 Moshe Kohn, “The Arabs’ ‘Lie’ of the Land,” Jerusalem Post, (October 18, 1991).
2 Yehoshua Porath, Palestinian Arab National Movement: From Riots to Rebellion: 1929-1939, vol. 2, (London: Frank Cass and Co., Ltd., 1977), pp. 81-82.
3 Moshe Kohn, “The Arabs’ ‘Lie’ of the Land,” Jerusalem Post, (October 18, 1991).
4 Avner Yaniv, PLO, (Jerusalem: Israel Universities Study Group of Middle Eastern Affairs, August 1974), p. 5.

Hey, I didn&#039;t even include the original PLO charter - do you remember what it said about Palestine and Palestinian nationalism?  You should, if memory is in fact important to your &#039;people&#039;.

Go ahead, delete it.  &quot;Memory is important&quot; indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently memory isn&#8217;t important enough to include the fact that your people were displaced as the result of an openly genocidal war which you started.  Too bad. Memory also apparently doesn&#8217;t include the fact that a large percentage of what became the &#8216;Palestinian&#8217; &#8216;refugee&#8217; population are in fact descendants of late 19th/early 20th century immigrants from what are now Egypt and Syria &#8211; a brief perusal of Ottoman and British censuses amply documents it.</p>
<p>Apparently, memory also doesn&#8217;t include the following:</p>
<p>No independent Arab or Palestinian state ever existed in Palestine. When the distinguished Arab-American historian, Princeton University Prof. Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, he said: “There is no such thing as ‘ Palestine’ in history, absolutely not.”1</p>
<p>Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted:</p>
<p>We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds.2</p>
<p>In 1937, a local Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, told the Peel Commission, which ultimately suggested the partition of Palestine: “There is no such country as Palestine! ‘ Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria.3</p>
<p>The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947 that said, Palestine was part of the Province of Syriaand that, politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity. A few years later, Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, told the Security Council: “It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria.”4</p>
<p>Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War and Israel’s capture of the West Bank.</p>
<p>Notes</p>
<p>1 Moshe Kohn, “The Arabs’ ‘Lie’ of the Land,” Jerusalem Post, (October 18, 1991).<br />
2 Yehoshua Porath, Palestinian Arab National Movement: From Riots to Rebellion: 1929-1939, vol. 2, (London: Frank Cass and Co., Ltd., 1977), pp. 81-82.<br />
3 Moshe Kohn, “The Arabs’ ‘Lie’ of the Land,” Jerusalem Post, (October 18, 1991).<br />
4 Avner Yaniv, PLO, (Jerusalem: Israel Universities Study Group of Middle Eastern Affairs, August 1974), p. 5.</p>
<p>Hey, I didn&#8217;t even include the original PLO charter &#8211; do you remember what it said about Palestine and Palestinian nationalism?  You should, if memory is in fact important to your &#8216;people&#8217;.</p>
<p>Go ahead, delete it.  &#8220;Memory is important&#8221; indeed.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: abofahem</title>
		<link>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/05/15/59/comment-page-1/#comment-15734</link>
		<dc:creator>abofahem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 08:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/05/15/59/#comment-15734</guid>
		<description>Dear Nick 

i believe that prior to setting dreams and solutions we have to acknowledge the problem , give Palestinians the acknowledgment they deserve , admit the history and then set to negotiate the solutions , Palestine has many resources that if have been used effectively will contribute in the uplifting of its economy and the regions economy , the availability of water resources , the ports that could be used to link Europe and Gulf area , the religious tourism are all in favor of prospect of Palestine, and even if not no one can take a way someone country , land and heritage , if Palestine was noting but a desert its our right to deicide if we want to live in it or not</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Nick </p>
<p>i believe that prior to setting dreams and solutions we have to acknowledge the problem , give Palestinians the acknowledgment they deserve , admit the history and then set to negotiate the solutions , Palestine has many resources that if have been used effectively will contribute in the uplifting of its economy and the regions economy , the availability of water resources , the ports that could be used to link Europe and Gulf area , the religious tourism are all in favor of prospect of Palestine, and even if not no one can take a way someone country , land and heritage , if Palestine was noting but a desert its our right to deicide if we want to live in it or not</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/05/15/59/comment-page-1/#comment-15733</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 04:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/05/15/59/#comment-15733</guid>
		<description>I&#039;ve lived in Jordan and travelled in Israel and the West Bank. My thinking is that neither Israel, Gaza, or the West Bank are viable future states. Why do I say this? Look at future projections for water scarcity in the region in the light of global climate change - competition for environmental resources is going to make future conflict very likely.

To me there is only one possible long-term solution, the one Edward Said advocated - a bi-national multi-faith state called Israel &amp; Palestine with Jerusalem as its capital. Interested to know what Jordanians thought/think of Said&#039;s dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve lived in Jordan and travelled in Israel and the West Bank. My thinking is that neither Israel, Gaza, or the West Bank are viable future states. Why do I say this? Look at future projections for water scarcity in the region in the light of global climate change &#8211; competition for environmental resources is going to make future conflict very likely.</p>
<p>To me there is only one possible long-term solution, the one Edward Said advocated &#8211; a bi-national multi-faith state called Israel &amp; Palestine with Jerusalem as its capital. Interested to know what Jordanians thought/think of Said&#8217;s dream.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Omar</title>
		<link>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/05/15/59/comment-page-1/#comment-15732</link>
		<dc:creator>Omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 23:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/05/15/59/#comment-15732</guid>
		<description>We will never forget..

Amazing post Roba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We will never forget..</p>
<p>Amazing post Roba</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: hilal</title>
		<link>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/05/15/59/comment-page-1/#comment-15731</link>
		<dc:creator>hilal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 13:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/05/15/59/#comment-15731</guid>
		<description>what&#039;s happening is not good, but that does not affect my view to the major issue. It is a just case no matter how many &quot;misatkes&quot; are done in its name.



btw, I got &quot;hate&quot; as an anti-spam word ! is it lways like that? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what&#8217;s happening is not good, but that does not affect my view to the major issue. It is a just case no matter how many &#8220;misatkes&#8221; are done in its name.</p>
<p>btw, I got &#8220;hate&#8221; as an anti-spam word ! is it lways like that? :-)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: 7ala</title>
		<link>http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/05/15/59/comment-page-1/#comment-15730</link>
		<dc:creator>7ala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 07:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/05/15/59/#comment-15730</guid>
		<description>Good one Ruba!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good one Ruba!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
